February 28, 2003, Chet Cooper.
This entire article is an interview and some background information on Judy
Heumann, a famous American disability rights activist and head of the World Bank's division on disability and development.
She is the first disability and development advisor ever, male or female. The first part of her interview is "what is
a tragedy is when people with disabilities are not welcomed into the economic mainstream of a community and not given the
chance to work for their own hopes and dreams." Careful to hold onto her activist roots, Ms. Heumann is not, in my opinion,
likely to allow the powers that be at the World Bank to boss her around (and this is coming from someone who doesn't
like the Bank very much in general).
Even though Judy doesn't have a speech impediment, she is a woman that
all women and girls with disabilities can look up to.
"What is a tragedy is when people with disabilities are not welcomed into the economic mainstream of a community and not
given the chance to work for their own hopes and dreams," stated Judith E. Heumann. "That's a vision that
I want to be
able to bring to the Bank."
Heumann, an internationally recognized expert on disability and diversity issues, has been newly appointed as the World
Bank's first-ever Advisor on Disability and Development in the Human Development Network. As a result of having polio
in 1949, Heumann, who now uses a motorized wheelchair, understands first-hand the obstacles people with disabilities encounter,
not only in the United States, but around the globe. At times she has been her own best advocate, once suing a State Board
of Education to obtain her teaching certificate, but she has also devoted the greater part of her life to betteringthe lives
of others. Since the 1970s, Heumann has worked extensively with governments and non-government organizations (NGOs)
contributing to the development of human rights legislation and policies benefiting children and adults with disabilities.
From 1993 to 2001, she served as Assistant Secretary of the Office of Special Education and Rehabilitation Services at the
Department of Education, supervising a program that served almost six million people nationwide. Preparing her for the
position she now holds within the World Bank, Heumann's international activities have included co-chairing of the International
Leadership Forum for Women with Disabilities and policy consultations with governmental and non-governmental agencies in Mexico,
Brazil, Japan,China and throughout Europe. As co-founder of the World Institute on Disability, Heumann is credited with creating
the first public policy research think tank devoted to disability issues. She has shaped and co-directed the nation's first
Center on Independent Living in Berkeley, California, and serves as a member of the board of directors on many public policy
and service organizations. Today, Heumann is focused on her most difficult and wide-spread challenge to date. There are approximately
400 million people with disabilities in developing countries, many of whom are excluded from chool or the workplace and forced
to depend on their family for lifetime support. "Bringing marginalized populations into the mainstream of developing countries
is a vital step in reducing poverty and extending hope and a chance to thrive to people who may only have known discrimination
and exclusion," says James Wolfensohn, President of the World Bank. "All people in developing countries should have equal
opportunities, and I'm delighted that we have chosen such a prominent disability champion as Judy Heumann to carry this
agenda forward."
Heumann and ABILITY Magazine's Editor-in-Chief, Chet Cooper, were first introduced during the 1996 conference of the World
Congress. Their paths have continued to cross as they work to bring greater awareness to the issues surrounding people
with disabilities. During the recent Conference on Disability and Development hosted by the World Bank, Cooper had the opportunity
to sit with Heumann and talk about her new position and vision for the World Bank'sintegration of disabilities within their
agenda.
Chet Cooper: It's great to see you again Judy and congratulations on your new position with the World Bank. What's in store
for you as the first Advisor on Disability and Development?
Judy Heumann: Well, I was hired by the World Bank in June.
CC: (repeating and writing notes) "I was hired by the World Bank in June..." Okay, we're done. Great! That should do it.
Thank you so much for your time(laughs)
JH: (laughs) I was hired by the Bank in June as the Advisor on Disability and Development. The purpose of the position
is to work on integrating disability related issues throughout the Bank. I work with various offices to help them have a better
understanding of who comprises the vast population of people with disabilities. My attention is focused on what the specific
needs of the population are and what the Bank could be doing to integrate those issues that affect people with disabilities
into its work. This is a critical issue because employees at the Bank have heavy workloads. Everyone is trying to deal with
a number of agendas so we must allow people to see we're not setting up another area--we're looking at the work that is already
being done and trying to help them incorporate and integrate these issues into their existing agenda.
CC: How knowledgeable is the Bank on issues surrounding people with disabilities?
JH: It's no surprise that the Bank, like most other countries, has very limited knowledge about the needs of this community.
What is exciting about this position is that it is enabling me to find and recognize those people
and departments who have
been doing some work in this area. They are now feeling empowered because the leadership of the Bank is supporting the agenda.
I think there's a level of humility because we haven't done that much... and we need to do more. This conference is significant
because we have a combination of leadership from the Bank talking about the importance of the issues surrounding people with
disabilities around the world, and we have also brought in respected speakers to talk about the population's needs from an
economic development's perspective. Today, Queen Noor of Jordan spoke about how critically important linking the issues of
economic development and human rights is.
CC: Many of the changes that are happening at the World Bank are coming as the result of an evaluation completed by
Canada. Was it Canada that initiated the survey?
JH: I believe people already doing work on disability issues at the
Bank went to the Canadians and asked if we could apply money from the Canadian Trust Fund to do a baseline assessment.
CC:
Can you elaborate on that process?
JH: In the World Bank, many of the countries have set aside trust fund money that may be applied for. The trust fund money,
in this case, is given to help evaluation of what the Bank is doing in the area of disabilities. The work completed with trust
fund money is by people who are from the country that has been given the money. In this instance, money was granted by the
Canadian Trust Fund and therefor had to go to a Canadian company. There was competition and ultimately the Canadian Center
for Disability Studies(CCDS) was awarded the grant. They talked with more than a hundred people in the Bank and met with NGOs
at the country level before making a series of recommendations in reference to the Bank's need to improve their work in the
area of disabilities. One recommendation was to hold an event such as this conference. Naturally, there were a series of additional
recommendations which we'll be addressing over the coming years.
CC: Such as obtaining editorial coverage within ABILITY Magazine, of
course.
JH: Right! That was clearly a recommendation. (laughs)
CC: Was your current position then created out of a recommendation by the CCDS?
JH: The hiring of this position was really twofold. Mr. Wolfensohn commented in a speech that he gave in December of 2000
that the Bank would hire an advisor. This study reiterated the fact that a person should be hired.
CC: How do you propose to affect the changes necessary within the Bank?
JH: I gave a presentation recently, and one of the purposes was to help the senior leadership have a better idea of who
the population is. I've also asked
them to put together a working group in their particular areas of responsibility
that
my office could now work with, in order to help them develop their own plan of action to integrate disability into their agenda;
we've already been contacted by a number of the offices. Some of them, like the East Asia region are going to put together
a team, the Latin American region will probably do the same and then we'll work with them on putting together a plan. We have
to look at this more on an annual basis, what can and will happen in a year, in
two years, in three years. It is my hope
that in the next three to five years there will be measurable differences.
CC: You appear confident the Bank is moving in the right direction.
JH: Absolutely. Right now there is more engagement; we're working with
the entry of other development agencies; we're
discussing the issues more and
we're internally looking at what we need to be doing. But by next year if we're still doing
the same thing--then we won't have accomplished anything. By
2004, I hope to be able to show a few more countries where
governments and the Bank are working aggressively on integrating disability into their agenda. More loan packages provided
by the Bank will be integrating disability along the lines of physical access, education--which I think is important--and
employment to transport urban environments. There are 10,000 people who work in the Bank and the Bank is in over 150 countries.
CC: In one year?
JH: I have no expectations that we'll be able to affect all of them in a year, but I'd like to be able to say that we have
been able to work more deeply with three countries and that there will be greater interest in other countries. One of
my other expectations is that at the country level the NGOs will see themselves beginning to do more work with the ministries
of finance. It's the ministries of finance that do the substantial amount of negotiating with the Bank; the ministers of finance--in
conjunction with the leadership of the government-determine what their loan packages should look like.
CC: What type of internal communication will come from your office?
JH: First of all, an email was sent out from the vice president of human development to the other vice presidents, encouraging
them to look further at this issue. There is also an internal publication called the Today. In yesterday's Today...
CC: Yesterday or Today?
JH: It was in yesterday's Today, today's Today and hopefully tomorrow's
Today. (laughs) They've made a number of announcements
over the last couple of weeks informing staff this conference was going to happen and it was a banner headline in yesterday's
paper. I think we've been very lucky to have good people working to make this day a success.
CC: Do you believe there is a greater resolve to the issues now that you're on board and the Bank is demonstrating
a higher commitment to the issues surrounding disabilities?
JH: It is great because so many people in the Bank did so much work. I couldn't... I have no illusions--this didn't happen
because of me. I do believe this did happen because of Mr. Wolfensohn's commitment to the issue and people in the Bank believing
that he wants something to happen. During the
first meeting I had with some of his staff in September we were visualizing
a small meeting when Xavier Coll, Director, Office of the President said, "No, no, no... This has to be much bigger. We have
to think much bigger." I told the staff that if we go "much bigger" then they were going to have to help us-there's no way
"much bigger" is going to happen from Pamela and myself alone. (laughs) Pamela Dudzik is the Operations Analyst for Human
Development Network, Social Protection. Anyhow, they stepped up and I think that's what's been very exciting about working
here. People have really been willing to help and our focus in the last six months hasn't just been on today, but it's really
been on building.
CC: Are you traveling much?
JH: Oh, yes. I did a month of traveling in Asia and I'll be going to India and gypt. I enjoy traveling. It's great because
when I was in Vietnam, in particular, most people had never seen a motorized wheelchair. So many places were not ccessible
but we brought our own ramps and in some places they built ramps. When we were first scheduling my trip, they were going to
schedule most
of my meetings in a hotel. I told them I didn't want my meetings in a hotel, I wanted to be out and
about and we'd figure it out. The Bank's office had steps and on the day I arrived the ramp hadn't been built yet so they
had to carry me up the stairs. Before we left, the ramp had been built. We went to NGOs and to government programs where we
needed to use our own ramps. I think that was great and we got media coverage.
CC: That's a great quote: "Out and about and we'd figure it out..."
JH: Absolutely. I'm a linguist!
CC: (laughs) How does the United States measure up to the work being
done by other, even less developed countries?
JH: The United States has not really been a heavy hitter in the international development arena in disability and that's
unfotunate. We're in a unique position in the United States. We have many people with disabilities who are immigrants, who
work in organizations around the United States, and we
are not effectively using their knowledge and skills. If you look
at what is
going on with the disability community in Japan or all across Scandinavia... hope that in the next five
to ten years, the U.S. can be an equal player, but
right now it is definitely at the bottom. Scandinavian countries each
have a coalition of national disability groups. They receive money from the federal governments in the area of international
work and international coalition at the country level. Finland, Sweden, Norway and Denmark then distribute those dollars.
Their projects have much more of an effect in the disability community because development is specifically given to disability
related or run programs. It would be nice--in a year--to see the U.S. more engaged.
visit: and click on "disability"
Photograph (Queen Noor of Jordan speaking with Judy Heumann)
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Publication title:Ability Magazine. Costa Mesa: Feb 28, 2003.
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